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suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by MistressH » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:14 am

Has anyone here ever applied? does anyone do shoots for them?
Just curious really
what are your opinions onthe whole idea?

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by <<Miss_Sami>> » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:47 am

I dont think Suicide Girls are supposed to be very good.
They effectively own your soul once your with them.
Though someone else will prolly know the ins and outs as to why.
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Post by Explicit » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:12 am

Im an apocalypse girl :) I wouldnt apply for SG though, too much bloody hassle etc.

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Cupcak3_pr1nc3ss » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:42 pm

ummm are we talking about the suicide girl site
that use to be a modern pin up girl website
that is currently gothic lesbian porn?

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Post by ClaireCalavera » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:06 pm

Cupcak3_pr1nc3ss wrote:ummm are we talking about the suicide girl site
that use to be a modern pin up girl website
that is currently gothic lesbian porn?
:lol: !!!

From what I hear, SG is not a great idea if you want to model anywhere else whilst you are with them as they get pretty funny about it. They are also extremely strict about the use of your images anywhere else other than SG, even after you have stopped working with them. *shrugs* I've not heard great things about their management so I would probably avoid them but I don't really know anyone personally who has been involved so I'm making a bit of a speculative judgement there. :?
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Moody108 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:15 pm

some of the photographers i've done shoots with say SG own you when you sign up, you can't shoot with ANYONE else or use your name anywhere else etc. plus suicide girls aren't even pretty anymore, they just seem to accept any one that applies

there are some suicide girls who are STUNNING but on the whole, SG is not the elite group of gorgeous girls that it used to be.

i've never heard of apocalypse girls tbh :S

i work for altgrl at the moment there's only a few of us because the guy who runs it is SO picky about his girls.

its a pity that now, any one who puts on platforms and a corset is a model in the alt scene. i know it's all about appreciating all kinds of beauty but seriously, it seems you can be a model with a face like a slapped arse these days!
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Post by MistressH » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:16 pm

Explicit wrote:Im an apocalypse girl :) I wouldnt apply for SG though, too much bloody hassle etc.
I bhave applied with them but not heard anything yet. if i get in do you want to do a robin hood theme shoot? (im in nottingham too) :lol:

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Post by Lorny » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:43 pm

kikky_lou wrote:some of the photographers i've done shoots with say SG own you when you sign up, you can't shoot with ANYONE else or use your name anywhere else etc. plus suicide girls aren't even pretty anymore, they just seem to accept any one that applies

there are some suicide girls who are STUNNING but on the whole, SG is not the elite group of gorgeous girls that it used to be.

i've never heard of apocalypse girls tbh :S

i work for altgrl at the moment there's only a few of us because the guy who runs it is SO picky about his girls.

its a pity that now, any one who puts on platforms and a corset is a model in the alt scene. i know it's all about appreciating all kinds of beauty but seriously, it seems you can be a model with a face like a slapped arse these days!
I totally agree with that. I remember when I first got onto the 'scene' and found out about SG. I thought they were so pretty and loved that the alternative girls got a good place to model. Then I look again and anyone with a piercing can model for them. I don't think SG is the same as it was, and I don't think its anything special to be known as an SG.
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Post by LizSherman » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:49 pm

STAY AWAY FROM SUICIDE GIRLS.
I'm serious here, not only because they treat a lot of their models like shit and their standard are slipping (BADLY).
But because other photographers won't touch you with a 10 foot barge pole. Especially since the SG vs Lithium Picnic lawsuit. SG'll loose you a lot of respect from professional models and photographers.

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Post by IKickShins » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:32 pm

ClaireCalavera wrote:From what I hear, SG is not a great idea if you want to model anywhere else whilst you are with them as they get pretty funny about it. They are also extremely strict about the use of your images anywhere else other than SG, even after you have stopped working with them.
Its important to note that the strictness only applies to the models themselves, and that SG can sell your images to other websites if they want.. which means you could end up on hardcore porn sites if you submit a shoot to SG.
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Post by ANNloses » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:59 pm

They pay you peanuts at SG. I used to be friends with a Suicide Girl and I was told about how they sold her images to different sites, and yet until her time was up with them, she couldn't move over to GodsGirls yet. Even AFTER her time was up with SG, they continued to screw her.

I don't see many beautiful women anymore on their site. Sure, there are some, but to be honest, I wouldn't want to do that for tons of guys to fap at lol. I'd rather do artistic nudes with a freelance photographer, because that way I'm not BOUND in for life.

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Post by NaturalistDesigns » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:21 pm

I've just randomly applied to Apocalypse Girls to build a portfolio.

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Post by morbidfaerytale » Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:02 am

I got accepted to Apocalypse Girls, trying to sort a shoot out now with them :)
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Post by LizSherman » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:22 am

I'm trying to find somewhere good that pays for sets... It's a challenge!

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Post by SoupyGeorge » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:20 am

UGH, I hate suicide girls. I used to have a friend that was a suicide girl, and they wouldn't pay her for her shoots unless she got naked. And not classy naked, but TRASHY naked. And they wouldn't respond to her when she said she wanted to quit, so she just stopped going on the site, answering e-mails, and call from them.

So I guess I am somewhat biased, but I haven't heard anything GOOD about them, really.

And of course, they sued an amazing photographer for stupid sh**

*copied from gaian alt. beauty suicide girls post*
The SG model answers our questions... wrote:
"Why is SG suing Philip?"
"They are suing Philip over an alleged breach of contract for shooting TFP photos of me which were used on my membership site apneatic.com. They also claim that he is the owner of my site and are trying to take the money I've made on my site from me. My site is and has always been mine in every way possible. Of course we will prove all of this in court, but it costs $350 an hour for attorneys to help us do that.
His SG contract allowed him to shoot for single girl personality based sites like mine but for some reason SG suddenly decided that my site was a competitor to their empire of books, magazines, DVDs, radio shows, and television and demanded $100,000 in damages from him. The lawsuit has gone on for almost all of this year, SG has made no attempts to resolve or mediate and are pushing this to a very expensive trial. Philip has had to spend over $10,000 so far defending himself and this figure will likely triple when it goes to trial."

"Someone at SG told me Philip was shooting for Godsgirls.com and other sites while he was at SG and that's why he was let go, is that true?"
"No. Philip has never shot any sets for Godsgirls and never shot content for competing sites while he was working with SG."

"If Philip wins his case won't SG have to pay for all his legal costs and damages?"
"No, there are no guarantees that he'll be able to recoup his expenses even if he wins the trial."

"Isn't there pro bono legal support for the arts or people in his situation?"
"The jurisdiction of his contract with SG is in Oregon so an Oregon attorney must handle the case. While there are many "pro artist" legal groups out there, most of them only help with dispute letters and contract interpretation. There are no pro bono litigation resources that we are aware of in Oregon."

"But isn't apneatic.com a "single girl personality based web site"? You're in every photo on the site. Didn't his contract with SG allow him to shoot for "single girl personality based web sites"?"
"Yes and Yes. You'd be surprised how hard and expensive it is to prove that when the person harassing you has 10 times more money to throw at the problem and an attorney highly skilled at creating expensive problems. We have no doubts we will win this if it goes to trial, their strategy appears to be to draw it out and outspend us."

"Two SuicideGirls we were recently threatened with lawsuits in excess of $30,000 for shooting with Philip for portfolio and Gasoline Glamour Jewelry since he is a "competing photographer" what does that mean and what was the outcome?"
"The idea of an intrinsically competitive photographer is a construction they made up to threaten the models with breach for shooting with him. The shoots were in no way competitive to SG and were shot for portfolio and for promotion for Gasoline Glamour jewelry. Both of the models have portfolios on Model Mayhem and are available for portfolio work.
Philip is a contract freelance photographer with over twenty clients, he is not "employed" by any of them. If he shoots luggage tags for Continental Airlines he is not a competitor to American Airlines. He is not an airline. He is not a paysite. Philip does not own or operate a paysite and he's not an employee or stakeholder of any web site.
The notion that he is intrinsically "competitive" is preposterous, there is only 'competing photography' shot for a competing business purpose.
Both of the models were threatened and told that they would be sued, they were also told that SG was in possession of the photos (though they had never left Philip's laptop). They told the girls that Philip had contacted them and taunted them about the photos, again untrue. Both of the girls were given pre-prepared statements to sign by the end of the day saying that Philip solicited and tricked them into breaking their SG contracts. They were told that they wouldn't be sued if they signed the statements.
The irony is that Sean and Missy forgot that the official policy on shooting for noncompetitive projects is stated on the SG site and clearly states that what they did was allowed - Philip's nonSG portfolio work is linked as examples of what models are allowed to do! More on that can be found in the fallowing link:
http://community.livejournal.com/lithiu ... html?nc=43"

"Did SG really sell your SG photos to other porn sites?"
"Yes. The photos that I shot with Missy (one of the owners of SG) for the SG site were sold and those images have appeared all over the web on various porn sites. The irony here is that when i told her I was thinking about shooting with Godsgirls she warned me they were owned by a large porn company and she told me my images would end up on porn sites all over the web.
Many have speculated that the sale was punitive in nature as they mostly chose girls that had left or been kicked off the site. The photos were not screened or edited, light tests and outtakes were all packaged. You can read more about it and see some samples of the photos in the fallowing link:
http://altporngossip.com/archive/20"
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Allexiyah » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:32 am

Over rated, under paid, running on a reputation that is slipping, and over half of their models aren't worthy of being 'models'. I've been following the court case and can honestly say any admiration i had for the SG is gone.

Puts shame to the stunning, gorgeous girls that are on there - amidst the 'alternative' mingers.

Theres a few on there and im sorry but having a set of dreads and posing in your pants doesn't make you an alternative model.

Sorry if no one agrees with my comments - they are purely MY thoughts.

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Post by MistressH » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:50 am

yikes thanks for the warnings. going to delete them frommy myspace!

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Post by Moody108 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:10 am

TenderTendrils wrote:
Puts shame to the stunning, gorgeous girls that are on there - amidst the 'alternative' mingers.

Theres a few on there and im sorry but having a set of dreads and posing in your pants doesn't make you an alternative model.

haha, alternative mingers made me chuckle!

totally agree, i said something along the lines of that earlier in the thread. nicely said :)
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Post by Explicit » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:47 am

I bhave applied with them but not heard anything yet. if i get in do you want to do a robin hood theme shoot? (im in nottingham too) :lol:
Lol sure, Probably dont have any suitable clothing but always love doing shoots with other people and im sure I could find something :)

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Post by MistressH » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:12 am

well i have it on good authority ive been accepted by apocalypse girls...... :D

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Post by slinkypanda » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:14 pm

well i accidentally applied for suicide girls awhile back not knowing anything about them (yes i live under a rock and had never heard of them before, i didnt read the thing, i also cruise the internet with images turned off so i didnt know they were a porn site :lol: ) but i never got a reply and im kind of glad but.... i think iam far better looking than most of the suicide girls... they don't know what they are missing out on... ;)


Also afterwards i took a look at the photography on their site and most of the girls aren't models, a good number of them have no personality whatsoever. Their facial exppressions are totally void and i was not impressed by the quality of the pics some looked as though they had been taken by a camera phone, the sets were dull etc.

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Post by Freakonaleash » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:55 pm

i started to apply for suicidegirls when i turned 18 when it was the big craze for them... then found out the truth.

Decided a while back that id like to work with one of these companies as a photographer,but they dont seem to pay too well (sg does but i dont want to get involved with them)

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Post by MistressH » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:13 pm

Freakonaleash wrote:i started to apply for suicidegirls when i turned 18 when it was the big craze for them... then found out the truth.

Decided a while back that id like to work with one of these companies as a photographer,but they dont seem to pay too well (sg does but i dont want to get involved with them)
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Post by Freakonaleash » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:18 pm

have considered it many times,but will take up alot of time and money.maybe one day when ive finished uni and earning big bucks (yeh hopefullylol).
I know someone on the old HH forums was starting something up but cant remember who it was

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Post by Vicsarina » Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:27 pm

Freakonaleash wrote:have considered it many times,but will take up alot of time and money.maybe one day when ive finished uni and earning big bucks (yeh hopefullylol).
I know someone on the old HH forums was starting something up but cant remember who it was

It was kittiegothgirl (I think it was spelt like that)
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