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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by kittiegothgirl » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:46 pm

yeah, it was me, but i'm having some serious money issues right now that are beyond my control , so until the future is looking brighter again ,i'm afraid my project will have to be put aside . :( sorry girls

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by NaturalistDesigns » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:07 pm

I've just been accepted by Apocolypse Girls, so I'm gonna arrange a shoot for while me and Paul are in Nottingham [added treat for Mr Paul which he won't know about :D]. So I'll definately let you all know what happens and the results of the shoot :D

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by slinkypanda » Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:04 am

is apocolypse girls nudes and stuff?

if so you're very brave :lol:

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Post by Dystopatica » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:53 pm

No offence to any of you girls thinking of signing up but the internet is massively oversaturated with "alternative models". Yes, getting dressed up and posing for some shots is fun but it in no way makes you a model, it just makes you a girl in some pictures. Unless you're making enough money to live from this, you're not a model, you just happen to have done some photoshoots between shifts at your real job. People bandy this word around immensely these days and it gets right on my t*ts.

Also, please be aware that you have NO control over what happens with these pictures, no matter who you pose for or what site they are submitted to. Once they are in the public domain they are open to abuse by anyone, regardless of copyright infringement. I don't think enough girls consider this before whipping thier norks out for the camera. Yes, you might be utterly comfortable with the idea at 21, but think about 10, 15 years later, do you want these coming back to haunt you? I have far too many friends who are feeling the backlash from this now, over tasteful burlesque style shoots to hardcore porn. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what the content of the pictures is, anything involving nudity or implied sexuality can potentially bite you in the arse when you least expect it.
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Dude » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:23 pm

Dystopatica wrote:No offence to any of you girls thinking of signing up but the internet is massively oversaturated with "alternative models". Yes, getting dressed up and posing for some shots is fun but it in no way makes you a model, it just makes you a girl in some pictures. Unless you're making enough money to live from this, you're not a model, you just happen to have done some photoshoots between shifts at your real job. People bandy this word around immensely these days and it gets right on my t*ts.

Also, please be aware that you have NO control over what happens with these pictures, no matter who you pose for or what site they are submitted to. Once they are in the public domain they are open to abuse by anyone, regardless of copyright infringement. I don't think enough girls consider this before whipping thier norks out for the camera. Yes, you might be utterly comfortable with the idea at 21, but think about 10, 15 years later, do you want these coming back to haunt you? I have far too many friends who are feeling the backlash from this now, over tasteful burlesque style shoots to hardcore porn. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what the content of the pictures is, anything involving nudity or implied sexuality can potentially bite you in the arse when you least expect it.
Well said. Better than I was going to put it.
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Explicit » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:52 pm

slinkypanda wrote:is apocolypse girls nudes and stuff?

if so you're very brave :lol:
No its whatever you want to do really, I know girls on it who have done topless on it and some who have done fully clothed (i.e not just lingerie). I dont club AG in with sites like SG though and they would never sell your photos to porn sites. This isnt me being naive however, I do understand the possible consequences of working of working for them.

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Dude » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:53 pm

NaturalistDesigns wrote:I've just been accepted by Apocolypse Girls, so I'm gonna arrange a shoot for while me and Paul are in Nottingham [added treat for Mr Paul which he won't know about :D]. So I'll definately let you all know what happens and the results of the shoot :D
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by NaturalistDesigns » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:19 pm

slinkypanda wrote:is apocolypse girls nudes and stuff?

if so you're very brave :lol:
Thankfully not :D
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NaturalistDesigns wrote:I've just been accepted by Apocolypse Girls, so I'm gonna arrange a shoot for while me and Paul are in Nottingham [added treat for Mr Paul which he won't know about :D]. So I'll definately let you all know what happens and the results of the shoot :D
GO CHRISSY!! ^____^
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Sick Puppy » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:20 am

I applied and was accepted by Suicide Girls - but they are too much of a stringent website - so I withdrew my profile and sets.

I am currently pending for Deviant Nation :D

And Dystopatica - well said, but for me, I don't sign up because I want to have the "cool" image of being a "model" (though, I have been modelling for about 3 years now - most of it being paid work and where I get most of my money from - asides from fall making :P I guess I can call myself one :P) - I just love being in front of the camera, looking completely new and amazing, being nekkid and doing nekkid photoshoots...

That may not be reason enough for joining these sites - but if people are afraid that they are going to have thier pics come back and bite them in the butt - they shouldn't apply for the sites. I don't feel as though I have anything to hide - my parents know about it and yaah. If my pics were to surface in a few years time when I rule the world (:P) I wouldn't so much think of that as an embarrassment - but more of hilarity that my pics are still circulating :P

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Pallidity » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:49 am

Legal issues aside, I have to comment on what is being done as far as material produced. I don't have a problem with artistic expression in the form of a naked body, but I have some issues with the supposed artistic expression really being a cover for porn. There are sites that really do stick to artistic expression, but many of them are turning into soft(and sometimes not so soft)core porn. Porn is fine and dandy, but I don't like it when it's passed off as art. On top of that, it bothers me that these girls are taking their clothes off and not getting paid very well. To be quite honest, if I had a choice between SG or going for fullon porn, I'd go for them porn. I don't claim to know much about modeling because I've never done it beyond photo projects for school and that sort of thing, but I'm assuming (and believe I've heard) that girls on sites such as SG are barely making any moola. Porn sites typically require subscription/viewing fees which can rake in the money assuming you work up your customer base and advertise well.

I'm also really concerned about girls thinking they will get onto a site such as SG and be allowed to express themselves however they please and decide what they do, but still become a well known SG (or whatever is applicable to the site). From what I can remember being said about SG, without taking your clothes off you wouldn't get more than one or two shoots posted, and without getting a bit more into it than just taking clothes off you wouldn't be kept as an SG. I read quite a bit about that back when Apnea was first starting to come out with her issues with SG, and girls are still applying and asking about getting on there. It freaks me out that girls are lured into the world of SG (and similar sites) when there are safer and friendlier sites out there that won't pressure you into doing things that make you uncomfortable and won't sell your pictures without your knowledge or consent.

I believe that no one should have the right to tell you that you have to take your clothes off. That is a personal decision, and a corporation making money off of you shouldn't dictate what you do with your body, particularly if you're operating under the pretense of artistic expression. You should be the one to suggest it, initiate it, and if you decide you aren't comfortable with it they should realize that it is your decision and not something they have the right to coerce you into feeling you must do.

Edit- Quick note: If you do something like suicide girls when you're young you do have to be planning ahead. Many corporations won't employ girls that have posed topless, particularly if you're American (I'm not sure about other countries). There are some here that will deny you a job based off of a single photo of you drinking 10 years ago depending on the job. Anything that's seen as a "role-model position" such as teaching, counseling, etc is going to be particularly picky. It's becoming a new issue with sites such as facebook and myspace. There was a teacher fired because she posted photos of herself in a bikini, another fired for posting one picture from a few years prior of her drinking at a party, and another was fired because she posted photos of a tattoo (when challenged the school claimed it was really because she showed her bare back). If they react poorly to drunken photos that are fully clothed, pictures of tattoos on backs, and pictures of women in bikinis I'd assume half or fully naked photos would be even more cause for possible rejection.

It's really unfortunate that without the porn aspect the sites don't do as well as their porny-counterparts. I personally feel that alternative modeling becoming more mainstream has the potential to empower girls that don't tan, are a bit over weight, have a desire for a more alternative look, etc. If I had had the chance to witness strong females be something out of the box I know it would've made my pastey, slightly overweight preteen years a lot more bareable as opposed to feeling completely outcasted for not being tan, tall, thin and cleancut.

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by MistressH » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:23 pm

Dystopatica wrote:No offence to any of you girls thinking of signing up but the internet is massively oversaturated with "alternative models". Yes, getting dressed up and posing for some shots is fun but it in no way makes you a model, it just makes you a girl in some pictures. Unless you're making enough money to live from this, you're not a model, you just happen to have done some photoshoots between shifts at your real job. People bandy this word around immensely these days and it gets right on my t*ts.

Also, please be aware that you have NO control over what happens with these pictures, no matter who you pose for or what site they are submitted to. Once they are in the public domain they are open to abuse by anyone, regardless of copyright infringement. I don't think enough girls consider this before whipping thier norks out for the camera. Yes, you might be utterly comfortable with the idea at 21, but think about 10, 15 years later, do you want these coming back to haunt you? I have far too many friends who are feeling the backlash from this now, over tasteful burlesque style shoots to hardcore porn. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what the content of the pictures is, anything involving nudity or implied sexuality can potentially bite you in the arse when you least expect it.
I get what you are saying, apocalypse girls is not nude if youwantedto do somethig like that it would have to be tasteful its not porn. You dont have to make your living out of being a model you can do it parttime. For me personally i want a record that i did once look ok to look back on when im old and saggy, i also see it as a great way of meeting people and learning a new trade, there is work out there,but like you say just becuase youve posed for some photos doesnt mean you can actually get any work, thats where the line is drawn between model and person who has posed for some pictures

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Dude » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:27 pm

I would go in for it myself but I would have to lose a tad bit more weight
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by NaturalistDesigns » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:37 pm

I'm only doing it to try it out; get some experience with someone other than a friendly face taking the shots. I'm in no way branding myself as a model just because I got accepted onto a website. I'm not having a go - me promise!!
Dystopatica wrote:No offence to any of you girls thinking of signing up but the internet is massively oversaturated with "alternative models". Yes, getting dressed up and posing for some shots is fun but it in no way makes you a model, it just makes you a girl in some pictures. Unless you're making enough money to live from this, you're not a model, you just happen to have done some photoshoots between shifts at your real job. People bandy this word around immensely these days and it gets right on my t*ts.

Also, please be aware that you have NO control over what happens with these pictures, no matter who you pose for or what site they are submitted to. Once they are in the public domain they are open to abuse by anyone, regardless of copyright infringement. I don't think enough girls consider this before whipping thier norks out for the camera. Yes, you might be utterly comfortable with the idea at 21, but think about 10, 15 years later, do you want these coming back to haunt you? I have far too many friends who are feeling the backlash from this now, over tasteful burlesque style shoots to hardcore porn. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what the content of the pictures is, anything involving nudity or implied sexuality can potentially bite you in the arse when you least expect it.
I refuse to sign myself up for nude photos - I won't let Paul take a picture of me naked because of my self esteem; so why should I let a stranger do that?

I've always said; my body is my own and I'll do what I please with it. But, one thing I won't do is get my feminine parts out for a stranger with a camera. No way. The only person that would be allowed anywhere near me is Paul. No-one else - male or female.

Me not having a go - I promise ^_^

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by Dude » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:39 pm

There is one guy I would trust with my life and that is someone from a certain band. Otherwise I would be very wary.
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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by NaturalistDesigns » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:41 pm

I'm looking forward to doing a photoshoot [of sorts]; it'll be an experience for me :) Something to help with the confidence.

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Re: suicide girls, apocalypse girls et al

Post by KamiKowaku » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:56 pm

Ive only ever heard bad things about SG so i personaly wouldent trust them.
never heard of AG. :?
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